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Thinking Summary

The user is asking me to summarize the parts of the "ghost grads" notes that are relevant to §A.2 of the sparse autoencoders paper. Looking at §A.2, it describes an auxiliary loss (AuxK) that models reconstruction error using the top-k_aux dead latents, which is similar to "ghost grads". From the Anthropic Circuits Updates, I can see the evolution of ghost grads: January 2024 update: - Ghost grads is presented as an improvement on resampling for dead neurons - They calculate an additional loss term for dead neurons - Use exponential activation function instead of ReLU for dead neurons - Scale output to have L2 norm that's 1/2 of the autoencoder residual - This helps dead neurons get gradient signal to explain the autoencoder residual - Results in very few dead neurons and performs as well or better than neuron resampling - Roughly doubles compute requirements but worth it for large autoencoders where >50% neurons can be dead February 2024 update: - They had a bug that applied ghost grads to all neurons at start of training - The bug actually improved training loss - Ghost grads helped on 1L models but showed little difference on larger models - They don't fully understand why/when ghost grads helps March 2024 update: - With other improvements, ghost grads no longer decreases training loss even on 1L models - Training loss is roughly equal, not justifying the increased FLOPs - Some evidence their implementation causes loss spikes - They've essentially abandoned ghost grads at this point The OpenAI paper's AuxK loss seems to be inspired by ghost grads but is a simpler implementation that just models reconstruction error using dead latents.

Based on the embedded documents, here's a summary of the ghost grads evolution relevant to §A.2:

January 2024 (Initial Ghost Grads):

  • Ghost grads was introduced as an improvement over neuron resampling for handling dead neurons
  • It adds an auxiliary loss term that:
    • Takes dead neurons (not activated for 2M tokens)
    • Replaces ReLU with exponential activation
    • Scales output to L2 norm = 0.5 × autoencoder residual
    • Computes MSE between this and the residual
  • Resulted in very few dead neurons and performed as well/better than resampling
  • Roughly doubled compute requirements

February 2024 (Bug Discovery):

  • Found a bug that applied ghost grads to ALL neurons initially
  • Surprisingly, this bug improved training loss
  • Ghost grads worked well on 1-layer models but showed little benefit on larger models
  • Team expressed uncertainty about why/when it helps

March 2024 (Abandonment):

  • With other optimization improvements, ghost grads no longer improved training loss
  • Didn't justify the 2x compute cost
  • Evidence it caused loss spikes in their setup
  • Effectively abandoned the approach

Relevance to §A.2: The OpenAI paper's AuxK loss appears to be inspired by ghost grads but is a simpler implementation - it just models reconstruction error using top-k_aux dead latents without the exponential activation or other complexities. The paper notes AuxK "occasionally NaNs at large scale," which might relate to the loss spikes Anthropic observed.

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